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. you said grover norquist house of cards may come crumbling down. is the bigger problem revenue or democrats not wanting to give big cuts on entitlement? >> no. i think the bigger problem is grover norquist if you want to know the truth. he's the bigger problem because he threatens republicans with primaries. so you had several republicans who expressed that they were willing to moderate their view and that they felt their most important pledge was to the u.s. constitution and not to grover norquist. what did grover norquist do? he took their quotes, called them up, he had conversations with them and he read them line by line their quote and essentially threatened them with primaries. he's the problem. if grover norquist wants to run government he needs to run office. >> you have people like saxby chambliss to indicate they were backing away from their pledge. grover norquist gets on the phone to them in the last several days and report of phone calls are that suddenly chambliss is going back a little bit maybe on what he had to say. so, i mean, do you think that his influence h
-tax crusader, grover norquist attacking the wives of republican congressman? >> i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years. >> tonight, lee saunders on the grassroots blast to pass the middle class tax cuts. >> small business owner, lou krantz, on his meeting with the president. congressman, steve israel, on the democratic momentum on the fiscal cliff. plus. >> karen finney on the new bizarre attack on ambassador, susan rice. >> all of the sudden, we are the bell of the ball. we are here to say, it's time to start to dance. >>> latino voters help put president obama over the top. now, the hispanic caucus says they want action. representative luis gutierrez joins me tonight. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama is selling his economic agenda and using all the right tools. the president was surrounded today by middle class taxpayers at the white house as he pushed for an extension of the tax cuts for income below $250,000. he was quick to highlight the break in the ranks with the republicans. >> i am glad to see, if you've be
hold grover norquist and his tax pledge held on republicans may be loosening. frank bruni thinks republicans devolved into dummies and nor west was their ventriloquist. not everyone saw norquist as the cause of the problem. defending him truth is that mr. norquist doesn't have such power. the voters do. he had the wit to channel the electorate's limited government beliefs into a single issue enforcement mechanism. long-time ally of norquist, jack abramoff who joins me in a moment said simply, news of grover's demise is premature. but in recent interviews, norquist has begun to sound like a petulant leader on the way out. >> the pledge is not for l.i.e. everybody who signed the pledge including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> eliot: warren buffett continued to be the pragmatic voice of the majority. >> i think there is a general feeling among the american public c
is the author of "blackwards." coming up, what's the real story with grover norquist? who is this slick-talking firebrand we see dazzling the media with analysis like this? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis he was not romney and romney was a poopy head. >> jennifer: oh, if it wasn't sheer force of personality, how did grover norquist accumulate so much power? plus, high cholesterol and low pay, america's fast food empires have built their fortunes on an unhealthy dose of each but it is the low pay that's got us worked up tonight. later, karl rove and dick morris get banned from fox news for getting it wrong! begging the obvious question... could a fox news ban of its entire network be far behind? you are in "the war room" on a wednesday. we're just getting started. stick around! [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ ♪ lowers to cut drag. rises to every challenge. the class exclusive air suspension in the new 2013 ram 1500. and earth. guts. glory. ram. >> jennifer: you're back inside "the war ro
into this fiscal cliff grand bargaining negotiations is grover norquist. did you this story about who is behind grover norquist, and who he really represents, and i think that's a really interesting story. who is the money behind grover? >> well, grover norquist is an interesting guy. he's obviously captured the minds and the attention of the entire republican party. but i would like folks to look at him a little bit differently. if you look at grover norquist's budget because he has a large foundation that enforces his pledge. two-thirds of his money, 66% of his budget comes from only two billionaire-backed non-profits groups founded by folks like the koch brothers, the bekdel corporation and karl rove. they're worth billions of dollars who would not like to see their tax rates go up. it should not be any surprise that they're giving money to norquist as their enforcer. >> cenk: a lot of those are in private equities and defense and, etc. shockingly they care about the tax codes and not cutting defense. lee fang, from the nation, thank you so much for joining us. great reporting. >> cenk: than
who has talked about breaking the grover norquist pledge on taxes. also, this morning, ceo's meeting with president obama yesterday, business leaders meeting with republicans as well. toth sides gathering ceo's talk about what they would like to see in the fiscal cliff tops. and in the washington post editorial -- also, "usa today" says -- you can look it up on president obama's budget page 465 that it's added to the deficit, they say, and it needs to be part of the deficit. the opposing view of durban says social security is not in a crisis. back to our question for our viewers. how would you fix your school system? david in kansas, an educator, republican line. caller: i just want to say i am an educator. i'm not republican. i would make education a completely free market good. i would get rid of compulsory school attendance. --would get rid of taxation a i think you need a wall that separates the government and education, just like we have a separation between government and religion. host: ok. june in wisconsin, independent. caller: hi. you know, the baby boomers got the last exc
of six couldn't get it done. how are the people going to get it done? we have grover norquist saying all the people allegedly are going to violate their pledge, only lindsey graham said yes, we'll violate it. the rest of them are waiting for democrats to come up. >> bob: is there a way to been a grover norquist's name from the show? >> why? >> dana: let me ask you about the road show. president obama goes out and talks about raising taxes on the rich. there is a cob stitch whensy in america says it's the right thing to do. boehner says if we had more re-knew we'll get in a different way. we think raising rates hurts the economy and we'll reduce the deductions to get the same place. but with president obama's road show he doesn't answer the question he brought up in 2010. what are you going to do about entitlements and how would you make it better? i don't think raising retirement age will solve the problem. >> brian: my head will explode. we keep saying we have to balance the budget. the math doesn't add up. number two, go in and roll up the shres and get it done behind closed doors. if
? last week, republicans were saying they were ready to throw grover norquist under the bus. yesterday they proved grover is still in charge. john boehner releasing a fiscal cliff plan but of course, refusing yet again to raise taxes on the top 2%. there you got it. it is not john boehner. it is not mitch mcconnell. it is not mitt romney who's in charge of the republican party. it's a lobbyist by the name of grover norquist. we'll get into that and a whole lot more. first, here's the latest. today's current news update from lisa ferguson. joining us as always from our studios in los angeles. good morning lisa. >> hey bill, good morning everyone. president obama is warning syrian president bashar assad not to use chemical weapons saying that would be a tragic mistake and that assad will be held accountable. u.s. officials are reporting that syria has ordered military chemical corps to be prepared. now syrian state television claims the country has no plans of using chemical weapons, no matter the circumsta
counter broker and the man who does not believe in unicorns, pink or otherwise, mr. grover norquist. grover, what a day to have you on the show. thanks for joining us. >> absolutely. of course, you know, north korea and -- media announced they did find unicorns in north korea. >> we don't often take our cues from them. i am one that firmly believes in the existence of unicorns somewhere and hopefully maybe in this fiscal cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and all efforts to increase marginal income tax rates and opposes any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits unless matched for dollar by further reducing tax rates. closing loopholes and ending deductions would seem to increase the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed do
that appears on your screen. >>> welcome back to "hardball." it's not the best of time for grover norquist. with republicans starting to kiss off his anti-text pledge, here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis: los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peew
stream. we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed that as the problem, not part of the solution here suddenly. how do you feel that? >> well, look. harry reid had a plan. he and obama and nancy pelosi were going to spend a great deal of money, and then they were going to turn to the republicans and say, okay. why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at having a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the american people for not wanting to raise taxes. he personalizes it with me. lou: what about those folks like senator jo
have flat out repudiated their anti-tax increase pledge. the author of that pledge, grover norquist, here and we will ask him how it is that he came to be the villain in this piece, how it feels to be the subject of attacks from both the left and some on the right and what the future holds for those republicans who break their pledges to voters. also tonight, demonstrations for a sixth straight day in egypt. the united nations on statehood for palestinians tomorrow and the presidens spokesman says the white house is not concerned with ambassador rice misleading the public o benghazi. pillows a prize-winning journalist, a former pentagon official said among our guests. we begin tonight with that triple digit rally on wall street. the market interpreted positive statements on a potential deal on the fiscal cliff by house speaker and rebounded from what had been a 112-point slide after the morning's opening bell. the dow jones industrials reversed, as i said, on the speaker's positive remarks and finished the session up 107 points. s&p up 11, nasdaq gained 24. all ten s&p 500 sectors m
's interesting is with grover norquist and the anti-tax pledge, over 90% of republicans have signed that pledge, but so many are now speaking out about it. this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted?
the hell grover norquist is. >> and why did his dad name him grover. >> it's a boy named sue kind of thing. >> stephanie: you know my fact checking skills. >> i read this, too in. >> cenk: it's questionable at this point. >> you're looking at me to fact check your fact check. i screwed up as much as anybody here. >> stephanie: the point is, i don't know if the story is true, but when he was a kid his dad also a douche. >> yes. >> stephanie: bought him an ice-cream cone and then took several large bites out of it and then said, this is what the government does. maybe that's why the douche didn't fall far from the bag as john fugalsang would say. [ baby crying ] >> stephanie: so he was anti-big government. >> i'll get back at him. i'll show him. i'm going to out douche daddy. nikki in chicago. welcome. >> caller: hey mama, how are you. >> stephanie: good, go ahead. >> caller: i just want to rebut what sue from rockville said about christian charities. they are not all anti-gay. there are some good ones out there. >> stephanie: nikki, i had one question, and funny i wish i had asked the guy a
of the american people. >> that was followed by a fierce response from grover norquist, the man behind the no tax hike pledge embraced by many in the gop. >> every republican who had impure thoughts has to go back to the drawing board. they have just been told there are no real reforms in this budget. $1.6 trillion in tax increases. >> joining me is eleanor cliff and david dreker thank you for being here. so eleanor, we have timothy geithner who says there will be a deal before the end of the year but it doesn't look like anyone is willing to budge. is that your take away? >> i think there's a rhythm to these negotiations. and right now each side is staking out their optimal position. the republicans reportedly laughed at the proposal. if they can extract concessions from the president, then they can look like they have gotten something in the deal. so i think we're in the early stages of the negotiations, even though there aren't that many days left. i'm still optimistic. i think the president cannot be the one who blinks. he won the election and if we do go over the cliff or whatever we want to
for tax reform, grover norquist. he is the person who got some members of congress to sign a pledge to not sign taxes. a number of republicans said they are willing to vote for a tax increase. this is just under an hour. >> thank you for coming out. two weeks in a row, thank you very much for coming out and we will have another one next wednesday and we appreciate you being here. grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to
a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly. he thinks ceos are silly. i don't think they're silly. they control hiring in this country. many americans play for dinner. i don't think grover norquist cares about who is paying to dinner. he has a pledge. it's important to him an
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with grover norquist. no longer would they be voting to increase taxes. we would be giving them limited opportunities to vote to cut taxes for middle income, working families and others who need it and deserve it. unfortunately, they wouldn't get the vote on restoring the bush-era rates for millionaires and billionaires for a total of dividends down to 15% or even back to the capital gains rates of clinton era or maybe back to the reagan era. we could talk about significant revenues that would not impact or hurt 98% of the people in this country. >> eliot: i think your logic is impeccable. i'm one of those saying for a long time let them expire. our hand only gets stronger as we go forwards january 1 and after. after january 15th, you can retroactively fix anything done between the expiration and the date that you pass a new bill. it's not as though these changes are permanent, and beyond correction by congress. >> in fact, the irs said they couldn't get new withholding tables for the new tax rate before march. we have month or two months in there to put in place targeted relief. we als
party, if the right to lifers, if the radical anti-government people, if the grover norquist wing of anti-taxers can win an election or not, and virginia is a great test. it's now a swing state that they should -- republicans should be able to win with the right kind of message. they didn't win it. a, quote, liberal won it according to stuart stevens. what does that tell you? can the real hard core right wing win a statewide election with a guy like cuccinelli? >> that will be the test. >> that will be the test. and they may be up against terry mcauliffe, the democrat who represents everything about the clinton/obama democratic party that the people in south side virginia can't stand, that they don't like. let's see -- >> he's a classic northern virginia guy. he works in washington. he's a bedroom community guy. which is fair enough, but they don't like it. >> and i think howard is exactly right. this is going to be a real dynamic test for the gop on the national level, not just for virginia, but how -- >> guess who else is going to be -- his wife perhaps. bill clinton will be in
to grover norquist. that's why they're willing to shut down the government. they're not taking an oath to the constitution of the united states but an oath to grover norquist. if you do things like that you shouldn't have the right to try to continue to shut down the government and use the debt ceiling as a weapon. >> finally, congressman, there are reports the president may ask congress for $50 billion for hurricane sandy, you know, to cover costs of relief and rebuilding. do you expect that to even be held hostage as well by region sn -- republicans? >> yes, do i. >> so no agreement on fiscal cliff, no agreement on debt ceiling, no agreement on this either? >> that's because they are obstructionists. they've turned the win into a partisan political instrument. they've turned the weather into a partisan political instrument. we have a solution to thisç 37e have introduced a discharge petition. we think that we shouldn't be holding the middle class hostage. everyone agrees the first $250,000 in income should receive a tax increase. i believe it should be higher in some areas like lon
they will break with protocol. with grover norquist and his tax pledge to reach the deal on the fiscal cliff is sticking in solidarity with it. we're asking what he would be willing to compromise on. >> as we mentioned, house speaker boehner and other leadership meeting with treasury secretary geithner. boehner is expected to hold a press conference afterwards at 11:30 a.m. and we will bring it to you live. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ [ male announcer ] 'tis the season to discover the kid in all of us. enjoy free shipping and great values on your holiday shopping from l.l. bean. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. you can st
entitlement problem. >> grover norquist talks about -- to be fair, he put a lot of republicans in a tough spot. you have got lindsey graham and steve king saying we understand it's a different day. megyn: this is what charles krauthammer. he says you are doing the same thing president obama is doing, making the debate about republicans and grover norquist rather than the huge deficit spending and the debt. >> here it comes down to the spending. even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not there yet. megyn: ladies, thank you so much. coming up. we want to show you what happened in this elevator that took freedom this point -- to this point. we'll debate whether the pranksters behind this are about to wind up in legal trouble. we'll show you have the tape next in "kelly's court." but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
the whole thing? neil cavuto is coming in. grover norquist made this suggestion over the weekend. we are not sure whether it is a good idea. lori: it is televised enough. the dow off 23. flirting with 13,000. verisign, green mountain coffee, seeing green. we will be back right after this. ♪ can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less thn e ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to ge a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ound shipping at fedex office. lori: put it on tv. grover norquist saying the president should go into a room with c-span cameras present. connell: neil cavuto joins us now. what do you think of this idea of putting it on television? neil: i do not think it is a good idea. this would really heighten it a little more. i think grover's point about how they should be held accountable and everyone should see how they come to these decisions, you kind of know how they come to these decisions. i do not think cameras and the whol
waste. neil: you know closing loopholes and that. grover moriest said that is a -- norquist said that is a tax hike, he is so over. neil: why is he over? >> it is not his job to do that. neil: a lot of people rip this guy a new one. >> it makes us -- >> he is just holding politicians account able, if you are closing loopholes. cut somewhere else, what makes that an out landish view. >> is it sounds strange for us to have a an ar kayicic -- a pl. neil: they go off the reservation and get wacky >> it does not sound right, we need a new approach to this thank y grover for your time but people need individual responsibility. neil: you think it is now that politically correct thing to do to cut -- >> not cave but we do need to cut across the board. neil: do you agree. >> no, not, it is every american's job to holder politician responsibility up there only time we balanced budget in last 17 years is when we had more revenues durings.com boom, it was not because of the cutting spend, we have not been cutting spending, we have washington run amuck, and i don't care if it is grover or me
about that let's show what grover norquist had to say. he's the anti-tax pledge crusader. this is what he had to say yesterday. >> tea party two will dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> that's like say anaconda two will dwarf anaconda one. the sequel will be more intense. a poll find out last week that they found a majority of americans will blame the republicans in congress not the president for failure to make the deal. as we hear what grover says you see at any time other way. you say it will be the democrats. >> it could be. depending on what happens. if they keep posturing we can go off the fiscal cliff it won't be such a big deal i don't think that's where most democrats will end up. you they are president and a lot of people down in washington saying they don't want to go off the fiscal cliff. as far as grover norquist notices, i don't think republicans should be caving to a special interest of one, frankly. we do see some brave republicans coming out there and they should be supported because they are about finding a solution. >> i want to show this tomb th
chum grover norquist. he's as certain as ever that republicans who have impure thoughts about violating his no new tax pledge will be targeted at the primary level by tea party members. i'm taking this masterful behind-the-scenes player at his word that he controls almost all the republicans. because almost all of them signed his oath. so a deal could be tough. plus i'm now calling for no vacation without legislation. no vacation without legislation. because the holidays are slated to begin in a couple of weeks. which doesn't give enough time to get the job done. so you have one side that is insisting on tax increases and offering no spending cuts, and then you have the other side which has pledged no tax increases which assures no deal can occur. after all, even if the president offered heavy-duty spending cuts like he did during the debt ceiling fight, the republicans can't compromise because of their blood oath in norquist. they aren't allowed to and the president's line seems to have hardened. doesn't it seem to you like he thinks that the wealthy and those who own stocks are exactl
, grover norquist appears to think the president regards himself as a monarch preparing for coronation. take a listen to what he told my colleague, alex wagner, earlier today. >> and he thinks somebody made him king and he's going to have more taxes, more spending, and more regulations. it's a real problem for him. he doesn't have the mandate he thinks he does. so i think he takes us over the cliff because he doesn't -- he's got blinders on. he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> the president will take us over the cliff because he doesn't understand his place in the universe. professor, one minute the president is a communist dictator. the next minute he's a european monarch. i thought the president was simply responding to the overwhelming view of the people, and they say that the wealthiest of americans should pay a little more. >> you're right, martin, and look at the pot calling the kettle black here. if anyone is a monarch of their own sort of political realm, that would be grover norquist. he is unelected. he's looked at as royalty and he's got all of these sort of s
to break away from the special interest pledge to grover norquist -- may be one nasty real participation on the part of republicans to participate in a balanced plan that gets us where we need to go. >> thank you all. >> president obama urged congress today to extend middle- class tax cuts and avoid the fiscal cliff. he spoke of the eisenhower executive office building for about 10 minutes. he travels to a call factory in pennsylvania earlier this week to talk about taxes and the economy. >> thank you very much. everybody please have a seat -- except you guys. [laughter] good morning, everybody. there has been a lot of talk here in washington about the deadlines we are facing on taxes and deficits. these deadlines are going to be coming up very soon in the coming weeks. but today's important because i want to make sure everybody understands that this is not just about numbers. it is a set of major decisions that are going to expect millions of families all across this country in very significant ways, and their voices, the voices of the american people, have to be part of this debate. so
reform president grover norquist. reno about a lot, but a growing list of republicans in going after him. they want to raise taxes. we will talk with them about that. the markets, the economy. pulitzer prize-winning journalist among our guests. we will be right back. who went. lou: on the morning of march over third 2009 troops stationed in a combat outpost located at the bottom of three steep mountains in afghanistan were attacked by 400 insurgents one. my next guest takes a look what happened and her rogue actions of our soldiers. an untold story of american power. >> is nice to see you in. lou: i want to believe, as a white house correspondent for the last thing people five policy will be bringing a story from afghanistan. >> i was reporting from the comfort of the north lawn, the physis and the pentagon and a warehouse and it troops surged numbers. in new one and was about more of them while was reporting on. lou: your focus on this particular panel who, he targe of more than 225 individuals when. >> i work done for two and a half years in new will learn. it was a big project. every
they believe that the radical democrats believe that the republicans aren't controlled by some guy named grover norquist. republicans signed a pledge that they won't vote for tax increases that are needed to forge a compromise. in this issue i have to admit that i grow less confident by the day. we have heard harry reid say there has been less progress in the talks. it looked to be a benign session. we have been reading how the republicans were open to a deal that includes revenue increases. we aren't reading about how the tea party go against taxes when leadership agrees to it. i'm sure they don't record the presidential election as a referendum to anything. referendum to anything. they vote for the betrayal of their own beliefs. because the tax increases would amount to a de facto destruction of their word not to raise taxes. in other words, let's say you are a hard line democrat. you get higher taxes for the rich. the hard line democrats don't care about the stock market. they probably think that the republicans own stocks anyway. many of the hard liners want a smaller defense budget. here i
grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. this time it's new york congressman chris gibson who said that because of redistricting, he figures the pledge only applies to the area he was serving before. >>> and this was the photo op of the day. of course, vice president joe biden, he was shopping at the new costco in washington, d.c. he munched on some cookie samples, bought children's books, a tv set and apple pie. >>> remember this guy? the one who vowed to keep his romney/ryan campaign tattoo dispute the election results? reality has apparently caught up with him, and it's coming off soon. and that's your dish of "scrambled politics." >>> another day of fiscal cliff drama. stocks reversed early gains and fell shortly after house speaker john boehner dashed hopes that lawmakers were getting closer to agreeing on a year-end budget deal. but all three major markets did bounce back by the afternoon. >>> economic data was positive thursday, but we'll see what impact there is today from grim news out of europe. eurozone unemployment has hit another record high at 11.7% in october. >>> th
to sit down and negotiate the prestige of the country will pay a price. lou: i told grover norquist, he must like tom cole lot because all he would say in response was interesting tactic. thanks for being with us. in the "moneyline" tonight, a stalemate in washington d.c. wall street's back today. the balance squeaking out of four. gain. s&p up less than a point, nasdaq slipping lower on the day. volume on the big board slightly heavier than usual. all the major indexes finished higher for the month. down 71 points. s&p and nasdaq both ended higher. the three biggest winners for the month, cisco systems up to nine 1/4%. home depot, bank of america, both of just above 6%. aaa now urging the environmental protection agency to halt the sales of gas with directional concentrations arguing the fuel blend known as e 15 with an additional 5% ethanol cause engine damage but that is not covered by most car warranties. the epa says cars made after the 2000's one mall can handle that fuel brand. triple late shows 95 percent of cars made before 2012 will not. up next, president obama meeting with e
for the fanel to advance a deal with democrats to cut deficits but -- >> grover norquist drowns himself in a bathtub. after he hears that. >> he made me do it. >> stephanie: two of the republicans that vote most often against boehner. boehner is trying to control his caucus. >> i'll be really surprised -- >> stephanie: these two guys, whatever their names are they said despite sweeping changes to medicare and medicaid, paul ryan's budget didn't make deep enough cuts to entitlement. those guys. yeah, that wasn't quite mean enough. [ applause ] >> i would be surprised if boehner kept his leadership position in the next congress. >> stephanie: really? >> yeah. because he's not -- >> stephanie: i picture eric cantor rubbing his hands together like snidely whiplash. >> he can't keep the caucus together. the republicans are famous for staying together. he can't keep them together. >> flabbergasted! >> that's doing a bad job. >> stephanie: he's flabbergasted at his own caucus. [mumbling] >> stephanie: by the way doesn't
technically that goes against grover norquist's pledge. >> well, we've already put a plan out in the budget committee. as you said, i am a part of that budget committee. and we put out the fundamentals of that, where we would have a plan where we would have pro-growth tax reform, and that means something fairer, flatter and simpler, and a portion of that is to look at the deductions that right now really do benefit those in the upper income, and that we're willing to look at those, and to make sure that what we do does bring in more revenue by robust economy. >> and it wouldn't be a violation of a sort of a marriage vow to grover norquist. he has said that violating his pledge is somehow akin to, you know, violating your marriage vows. you don't -- your deal is with your constituents, not with grover norquist? >> that's right. that's exactly right. >> i want to talk a little bit about the debt ceiling because this is coming into play here. grover norquist, again, has written an op-ed mentioning the debt ceiling specifically. a new report for the bipartisan policy center said the ceiling mus
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